Episode 73: Women Stepping Into Their Power with Christina Walls

Michelle: Welcome to the “InFLOW Podcast.” I’m your host, Michelle Bosch, excited to be with you guys today. Today I am here for part two of a conversation that I had with the amazing Christina Walsh. She is a total rockstar when it comes to land investing and land flipping. She is a client in our coaching program as well. And hopefully soon to be a coach, I hope. And we started a conversation, you know, a few weeks back. And so, if you’ve listened to her first episode, this is kind of a continuation of that conversation. And we decided to jump on and do a second episode because towards the tail end of that, you know, we started talking about some really, you know, juicy stuff that I think would help a lot of other women, you know, really understand or flip the switch when it comes to mindset and poverty consciousness.

You know, because at each level of our journey, you know, we all have levels of that, you know, poverty consciousness. I mean, that is something that even, you know, to this day, you know, Jack and I continue to work on because it’s always an upward…a spiral movement upward. You know, it’s a constant reengineering of the next level in the next level of success and really pushing the boundaries of what’s possible. So, with that said, welcome to “InFLOW” Christina for part two.

Christina: Thanks for having me.

Michelle: So, yeah, Christina, so I wanted to basically just pick right back up, you know, in our conversation that we had last time. You know, a lot of our listeners probably already know, you know, you’ve been doing land flips. You’ve been doing quite a bit. You are pretty advanced already. You started with our strategies originally with the Land Profit Generator method, and then you grew your business to a point where you really needed to look into coaching to really engineer that next level of growth for you, and start bringing team in, and really operating your business in the most efficient and effective way, really focusing and honing in on the 20% that’s gonna give you the 80% of the results, with KPIs, with metrics, and so on and so forth.

But I want us to go ahead and, you know, back up a little bit, and because that is all nice and sexy. But, you know, in order to get there, you needed to, you know, at the very beginning, when probably land flipping was not even in your radar, you know, overcome certain challenges. So, why don’t you tell us about, you know, the biggest challenge that you had to overcome at the beginning of your journey when you find yourself as a single mom raising your son and real estate was still not even or land flipping was not in your radar. What was that first shift? Can you tell us a little bit more about that?

Christina: Sure, absolutely. So, I guess the first thing I want to say is that my story is really not unique to other women. You know, and my experience is not unique. And I’m not a superwoman, but I definitely had a desire to change. And I think a lot of women have that desire to change, but they don’t know how to. So, that’s why I think it’s important for women to discuss the things that they’ve been through, whether they feel ashamed of them or not.

So, I guess it would start a long time ago, but for years, I felt like I didn’t have a lot of value. And because I felt like I didn’t have a lot of value, all of my choices was kind of self-prophesizing that I didn’t have a lot of value. I was making choices to reflect that internal feeling that I don’t have value. I was in a marriage that was abusive and that just really reflected exactly what I felt about myself. And so, therefore, I was, like, digging a ditch and I was in the ditch. You know, so I was struggling with this and I grew up in a home where my dad was an alcoholic and, you know, we had problems in the home.

So, these situations, in a very unproductive way, I was familiar with. So I just continued them on. Yet inside, I definitely did not wanna live like this. You know, you have that internal struggle, you wanna do better. But when you’re younger, sometimes you don’t even know that the choices you’re making are self-destructive because that’s all you know. There’s no other influence. So, yeah…

Michelle: Yeah, it’s programming that we grow up with and that we basically take as natural and, yeah, as the only thing. Like, you don’t know what you don’t know.

Christina: That’s right. That’s right. That’s right. But I definitely had a desire all my life that I was gonna do something, you know. I wanna do something.

Michelle: In my mind, I always think of those are, like, whispers from God, those deep desires, those yearnings is like a whisper from God, you know, that you just need to tune into sometimes, but nevermind.

Christina: Yeah, that’s the truth. That’s the truth, though.

Michelle: Let’s get back to you.

Christina: That’s right. So, kind of the whole journey and where I am now is literally to speak to that woman that is at the bottom. You know, I know what it’s like to have an addiction. I know what it’s like…I had alcohol and drug problems when I was younger. I know what it’s like to be in an abusive relationship, to feel like you’re nothing, to be broke and single, all of that. So, the turning point was in my marriage when I was just feeling like absolute nothing. And I remember I was in a situation where there was, like, a lot of negative things being said to me.

And for the first time in my life, I recognized that everything that was being said was a lie. And I was like, “I think this is your problem and not mine.” Like inside, I realized that. And I started acknowledging these lies, that first and foremost, I believed and that was within me. And I was creating scenarios to support those lies. Now, once those lies, I started recognizing that, “You know what? I do have value. You know, I am not below nobody. I’m not this or that.” And once I started recognizing, really everything started falling into place. You know, I changed the situation. Like, I had moved out of…in my marriage, I’d moved out twice. The first time I moved out, I was broke, broke, broke, broke, broke. Like, I was paying all my bills. I wasn’t having a problem paying my bills, but there was, like, no extra. And I was just like, “Oh my gosh, this is terrible.”

So the second time I moved out, I said, “You know what? I’m not gonna be that broke single mom. I’m gonna buy new furniture. I’m gonna have a car that I want. I’m gonna go after my dreams.” You know, but the first thing I had to do was, A, recognize the lies. Okay. I also had to acknowledge my part in the whole situation, meaning I had to take responsibility for the choices that I made and the lies that I had believed. And to be honest, I had to just let it all go. You know, I had to let go of the blame. I had to let go of the pain. I had to, you know, make changes within myself. But once I did that, I started to become free. I mean, like, free because I wasn’t blaming anybody. I divorced the lies. You know, I was no longer married to these lies that I had within myself from a childhood. So…

Michelle: Can I ask a question? When you said that, you know, that you recognized that, you know, the statements that were being thrown about you, you know, from your spouse back then were lies. Something had to happen before for you to recognize that that was a switch. What was it that happened there? How were you able to all of a sudden distinguish, “You’re really not talking about me.”?

Christina: Right. It’s a little hard to answer because it was a process. You know, it definitely was a process. When I had moved back and was trying to reconcile, I made a list of deal-breakers, you know. I’m not going to deal with certain things…

Michelle: Basically, you created…you’re like, “Okay, I will stop doing this. And I’m gonna stop accepting this kind of crap, you know, from people.” It’s a kind of, like, a stop doing. I usually have a stop doing for all kinds of activities that are not in my genius. But there’s also a stop doing of these are the people that I will no longer associate. This is the type of income that I completely reject. Like, for example, for us, it was like, “I reject any income that comes from a corporate job.” You know? And you’re kind of, like, lay, you know, the line in the sand of like, okay, so you created a list of non-negotiables of things that basically… Would that be fair?

Christina: It just wasn’t gonna work. Well, and also, what I also realized is that it’s not working for me anymore, because I wasn’t sitting in self-pity anymore. I was not wanting somebody to emotionally beat me up because I was rising up. I was no longer… I was getting out of the hole. I was not trying to stay in that hole. And so, I had to rise up. I had to acknowledge my worth. And that is a process because you go from the not knowing because that’s all you’ve ever seen, and then you start going around different scenarios or you start, you know, searching yourself, you know, and start saying why? The why. Why is this happening in my life?

And you really do have to take personal responsibility for choices that you make. And you really do have to stop feeling sorry for yourself. And you have to start letting go. And you also have to have a little bit of understanding that there’s a lot of broken people in this world, you know? And you have to say, “I understand that this person is broken too, but it’s not up to me to change anybody but myself.” And to try to change somebody other than yourself, you’re not God, you can’t do it. You can barely change your own self. And that’s a challenge.

Michelle: I know. Especially because… You know, in yoga, we call that, you know, our brains go into what they call some scars, which are deep grooves that are created by certain patterns of thoughts. And that groove, the more that you think those thoughts, the deeper it gets, the deeper it gets. And that is becoming your programming. And in order to deprogram yourself from that, it’s difficult. Like you said, it’s hard changing yourself. Let’s not even think about changing someone else.

Christina: No.

Michelle: And so, basically, you know, you start this process of basically going from being what I call a thermometer, you know, that acquires the temperature of your environment to really becoming a thermostat where you’re like, “Okay, no, no, no wait a minute here. I’m in charge of the temperature here.” You know what I mean? “And I can either pump up the hit or, you know, bring in the cool, nice fresh air.” And so for you, you know, you start moving from being a thermometer to being the thermostat of your circumstances, you know, around money and so forth issues, you know? And you go on your way and then what happens?

Christina: So, then I start having a little more confidence in myself. You know, I’m out of a negative environment. I have a determination to why not try? Why not go after the things I’ve always wanted to go after? Why not? Why not? But I had a little bit of…

Michelle: That’s beautiful, Christina, though, because…you know what I mean? It’s beautiful because the question that you’re asking is a very good quality questions. Normally, good quality questions give rise to good quality answers. So maybe part of unraveling and of getting out of where we’re at is asking better questions to ourselves so that our subconscious starts eliciting better answers perhaps. And I like what you said, “You know, why not? Why not me? Why not this? Why not that?” You know, because that also gives you an opening into other abilities. You know what I mean? So, I love that quality of that question for sure. Is that something that you use often, you know, why?

Christina: Well, yeah, now I do all the time. Why not? I’m like, “You know, if they can do it, why can’t I?” You know, there’s no superhuman. You know, but it takes skill, and it takes effort, and it takes change, you know? And that’s where the, so to speak, rubber meets the road. Because if you’re not willing to make those changes, then, you know, you’re just gonna stay right where you’re at. And changes are uncomfortable. You know, so that’s whenever I started… I had always wanted to go into investing, but my big thing was like, “Oh, my gosh, I don’t have the money. I don’t have the knowledge.” So I said, “Well, let me just join this association, Realtors Association, and get some knowledge.” And that’s where it started. I started meeting people, and they were doing incredible things.

And I mean, they were this older woman that went to the women’s group and she was, like, buying non-performing notes. I’m like, “What is that? You’re doing what? You’re just flipping paper?” You know? And she and I kind of made a little connection, and I still see her, you know, when I go to the meetings and stuff. You know, but it started opening up my ideas and what my point of view was because I only had this point of view, just because that was my experience. You know, so then that’s when I started investing. And I made a video on YouTube recently about how investing will change your world.

And it’s not so much the investing that changes your world, it’s who you meet, the courage that it takes. And once you do some deals and you’re like, “Oh my gosh, I just made $10,000, you know, and I just, you know, really didn’t do a tremendous amount.” You know, it’s not like, you know, scrubbing tubs or something. You know? And so you do one thing and it really does compound because you’re like… And then you start meeting people and they’re doing like, $100,000 deals, you’re like, “Look, if they’re doing it, so can I.” You know, so it creates…you perpetuate. It puts perpetuating. You just keep moving. And then it really just changes…

Michelle: Yeah, because once you have momentum, it’s that getting going and creating that first momentum to get you in motion, I think that it’s the hardest, you know, for everyone because it does require, you know, going through that cycle that we call…you know, it’s not a concept that we made up. It’s actually from a gentleman by the name of Dan Solomon of the four Cs, you know, that you commit to something and you muster the courage. And by mustering the courage, you find yourself actually doing it and going through the motions, and that going through the motions gives you capability, and that’s what gives you the confidence to go and say, “Oh my gosh, I can do the next deal.” And if this deal was $3,000, it is a big deal. Even though it’s a small deal, it’s a big deal because it really has sculpted, and magnified, and amplified my confidence level so that I can go for the bigger, like you said, you know, $100,000 and so on and so forth.

And at the end of the day, if you think about it, and I’m sure it’s your experience because you’re expressing it in a different way, but saying the exact same thing is, like, whenever we set out, you know, goals with Jack, you know, and they’re usually monetary because that’s kind of, like, a way to keep score. If you think about it, it’s a way to keep score up and to measure it. But at the end of the day, that measurement falls short to really the measurement of who you become as a leader and as a person. You know what I mean?

Christina: Oh, yes.

Michelle: In the attainment of that goal. And so a lot of us think that we’re going for that dollar amount, but what we’re, in fact, going for is who we become…

Christina: Absolutely.

Michelle: …you know, to achieve that dollar.

Christina: I’m reading “High Performance Habits” and he talks about self-development. And I can honestly say that growing a business is more about self-development than money. You know, because I say marriage, having a kid, and owning a business will teach you everything you need to know about yourself, the good and the bad. You know, after that, it’s your choice what to do with it. You know, are you gonna change? Are you gonna take those risks? Are you going to go into the areas that are uncomfortable in order to grow? Because you have to. There’s no way you can change and just stay the same? It’s impossible.

Michelle: Yeah, I totally agree. And there’s nothing more that will sculpt your spirit, like, yeah, like being in a marriage, the parenting category of your life, you know, your love life, and your career, and finances, which are usually tied to, you know, if you’re an entrepreneur to the business that you’re working on. And, you know, it’s incredible because you start with very little capacity, I would say, for change. And your capacity, all of a sudden, you know, goes from this tiny little dot, and it starts growing and growing and growing. But at the beginning, you know, if you were to give the problems sometimes and the challenges that we face to a beginning investor, I mean, or a beginning entrepreneur of any kind of any business whatsoever, I mean, most people would crawl next to their toilet in that fetal position, you know what I mean, with the challenges that we face.

Christina: Absolutely.

Michelle: And the only way to kind of, like, increase that capacity is by going through that process of, like, “Oh my God, this is the next challenge. I believe that because I have been able to resolve issues in the past, I can figure this one out. And I don’t know all the answers. There’s a ton of unknowns, but I’m gonna still muster into the carriage and walk into the fire, and gain the capability, you know, and get that confidence and so on, and go through that spiral.” Like you said, it’s something that perpetuates and for the good and always in my mind, for sure. Yeah.

Christina: Definitely. You know, one of the things that I realized also is, while I was evolving, while I was changing, I recognized that I had false perceptions not only about myself, but about other women. My son, he was in sports, and he went to a really nice school, and I would go show up at the sporting events, and oftentimes I would be, like, the only woman without, you know, his dad. And I can remember feeling like, “These stay-at-home women, they got it so easy, this and that.” But one day I was at a dinner, and they were all talking about how they had gone to college, and they had careers, and before they got married, they were doing all these things, and it dawned on me that they gave up certain dreams. And I had never thought about that. I was over here thinking, “Oh, they got it so good, and I got it so rough.” And then it dawned on me, “You know what? We’re all in the same boat. You know, I’m over here sad because I’m working, working, working and they’re over there sad because they’re not.” You know, and so there was a perception.

Michelle: Yeah, and there’s a lot of women, you know, that actually…which I’m gonna get into a hot topic here probably. But anyways, I’m gonna, you know, speak my mind. You know, there’s a lot, you know, of women that have this amazing education. They choose to stay at home and that’s exactly what they want. That’s amazing. And then there’s this other segment of women that I think are caught in a sandwich. And what I mean by this, and it’s a real shit sandwich actually, because they’re caught in a sandwich where, you know, they have this amazing education, and somehow I think they choose but I don’t think it’s a real true choice, they choose to… I think it’s a choice that is made based on programming, on seeing in the prior generation that mom stayed at home.

And even though you see new people now and new generations of women out there that do not have this issue, and do not have any remorse, and do not have any guilt about going out there and being working moms, you know what I mean? But somehow, you know, they’re caught in this shit sandwich, in this in-between generation, and they choose to stay at home, but I don’t think that in their heart of hearts, that’s really what they wanted. And that staying at home, whether you choose it actively in your heart of hearts, or you don’t choose it in your heart of hearts is a mistake. Is a mistake because if that spouse, you know, if that husband loses a job, you have a big problem.

Christina: You have a big problem.

Michelle: If that spouse chooses another spouse, you have a big problem.

Christina: You have a big problem.

Michelle: You know what I mean? If that spouse gets really sick and you need to go out there, you know, which is… You know, one of the ladies that came here on the show, you know, Kathy Fettke, she talked about, you know, her husband being diagnosed with cancer, and all of a sudden she was thrown into the breadwinner position. You know, and it was incredibly hard for her. She was able to make it through because necessity creates and fosters innovation and courage, you know, like nothing will. But in any way, shape, or form that you see that, you know, that choice of completely abdicating all power from finances and not having any say in finances, or contributing in any way, shape, or form in your financial, you know, future and present, I think it’s a mistake but that’s a different conversation. But I do [inaudible 00:24:17] we’re talking two [crosstalk 00:24:20]

Christina: Well, you know, I have Becca says, “Go make your money, honey.” You know, I realized that the reality is that I’m not gonna wait for anybody. You know, I’m not gonna sit around and be like, “Oh, well, one day I’ll have, you know, this great life, this great spouse, this great, you know, rich man or whatever.” Look, I am my own…I am my own person. You know, I have my own dreams. I want to make my own money. I want to do things that I can do. I wanna see what I can do. You know, I don’t need somebody telling me, “No, you have to do this. And you have to do that.” Now, of course, when you’re married, you need to discuss things or you’re rude, you know, but…

Michelle: It’s part of being in a marriage and relationship.

Christina: You know, you just don’t go rogue, you know, you need to discuss things and I’m not instigating that at all. You know, but you should have your own dreams, you should be able to fulfill what’s in your heart. You know, a lot of women carry around a lot of shame for what they’ve been through, who they are, what their dreams are, you know, don’t drink too big, you’re a woman. Don’t do this, you’re a woman, you know. And, you know, I just…I have a sister that’s my son calls her the feminist. She’s definitely extreme like on what she thinks women should be, but sometimes I listen to her and I’m like, “Yeah, she’s a little out there.” But saying that, sometimes I’m like, “Yeah, she’s kind of right.” Like, in that we should be able to do what we wanna do. You know, there is no dream that we should not be able to attain, you know. And I understand oftentimes family, spouses, there might be some challenges in that and I don’t want to act like that there’s not because there can be, you know, and you do have to work it out.

Michelle: Yeah, and I think some of those challenges also have to do, Christina, with what we’re talking about, which is, you know, programming. Programming of even like the roles and how we have been brought up and raised, you know what I mean, that are unconscious, that are working unconsciously on us. And right now, you know, as I parent, you know, a daughter, a 12-year-old daughter, Jack and I are so conscious of us not fitting the mold, the model of the traditional, you know, stay-at-home mom, the traditional dad goes out there. We actually have roles reverse, like, mom is the one that, you know, sets the rules and sets, you know, the direction of the bus and where we’re going. And dad helps with laundry and dad helps…you know, and dad does all the cooking.

So, you know, she’s being raised, because we’re creating our own model, you know. But I want her to be aware also, and if you’re listening, you know, all of the unconscious programming that is happening out there, you know, when it comes to, you know, little girls knowing that they can go for certain things.

Christina: Yep, that’s right.

Michelle: And they shouldn’t second guess themselves just because they are girls, you know what I mean?

Christina: Yeah, that’s right.

Michelle: So, yeah, I totally get what you’re saying.

Christina: And I do that with my son also, you know, I want him to know that a woman can get it, you know what I mean?

Michelle: Yes.

Christina: That she can get it.

Michelle: And that he needs to find someone that gets it.

Christina: He’ll have to.

Michelle: And that is willing to, you know, be that gladiator woman next to him side by side, you know, fighting together for a better future, for a bigger and better future. Not someone that wants to, like, just sit down and check out, you know what I mean? Yeah, or at least, you know, I don’t want Sophia to, you know, find someone that just wants to check out. I want them to both be really sovereign in their power and step into that relationship, not just as in a traditional role model in the future for her but my wish for her, if anything, my biggest legacy would be for her to really pay attention to that partner and to that decision of who will become her partner because it’s a very important one, and to make sure that if that person has grown up in that traditional setting, that they’re open to what she grew up with. That she doesn’t give up on what she’s seen for herself being modeled day in and day out, you know what I mean, and so on and so forth.

And I think it’s all comes…I think what we’re talking about here and what you’re talking about a lot, Christina, in the story of your life is sovereignty, is that you found your sovereignty, you found that you are a sovereign creator and co-creator with God, you know what I mean? And you act on it. At the end of the day, you believe it, you don’t just talk about it, but you act on it.

Christina: And it’s a progress. Definitely this last month, I have, like, kind of…I don’t know, emotional…I don’t even know what the word is, emotional challenges like those old mental paths that I had taken for years. They were coming in, and they came in kind of…

Michelle: They’re like triggers. Triggers, we always have them come back and revisit us. When we’re about to up-level, all of a sudden there’s a trigger.

Christina: Yeah. And also, sometimes it’s who you’re around. I had gone on a family vacation and I was around the people that I grew up with not, you know, don’t have any problems with my family, but it’s that same mind frame. So, I came back from this vacation and all of a sudden, I was, like, feeling like the same old, “Oh, I can’t do this. I can’t do that.” And then one day I was like, “What?” And it caught me off guard, you know, and I was like, “Oh, no, this can’t happen.” And, you know, actually, I talked to my coach, he and I were actually discussing it. And I’m glad I actually brought it up, because I felt like it was just a hindrance in my progress and recognizing it. And, you know, you really have to turn the channel and some of these things take practice. It’s not like you can have a lifetime of this terrible negative degrading thinking and then, all of a sudden, you’re like on cloud nine every day, it’s not gonna happen. And there are triggers.

Michelle: It’s a constant cultivation. It’s like an ongoing process. It’s that something, like, that you have to do every day like you brush your teeth and you take showers, you know what I mean? It’s like you need them every day. This is something that you need every day, you know, to work on to make sure that you’re always, you know, and really emitting in the highest frequency, you know, that you’re always in the highest frequency. Absolutely, I totally get it. That’s a very good point. So we go from a stop doing list to great quality questions like the why nots, you know, to really mustering the courage to go and change that it takes effort, not just in a one episode event, but that it’s an ongoing cultivation. And shame, I know that you talked about shame and I don’t know if you’ve read or, you know, have been exposed to any of the work from Brenda Brown where she talks about shame and how shame is really at the culprit of us not being able sometimes to be brave, you know, that there’s a huge connection between shame and bravery, you know?

Christina: Absolutely.

Michelle: And I think that’s something that, you know, afflicts a lot of us women, you know, to this day. Even for me, I know Barb, my assistant here on the podcast, she knows that I’ve gone from even showing up not just in my voice, but showing up physically with my presence and video, that has been an ongoing cultivation and process, you know what I mean? Because at the beginning, I’m like, “Oh my gosh, first of all, you know, I have an accent. I don’t know. I feel a little bit of shame of will people, you know, listen to what I have to say, you know, with my accent? And there’s basically roots of shame there. I’m like, “Okay. Now, if I’m already doing this, let’s do it, you know, let’s have a video as well,” and so on and so forth.

And so, we all struggle with, you know, levels of this, you know, and it’s just not in physical appearance, but in many, many cases, you know. It affects our finances and our money. Now, tell me a little bit about what do you think about because I always think of money as something that it’s an energy that is neutral, and that we give it the charge whether it’s gonna be positive or negative. And that really money, because I know you say back there, “Go make your money, honey,” amplifies who you are. Like if you’re a jerk, money’s gonna make you a bigger jerk.

Christina: Absolutely.

Michelle: But if you’re a good person, a good generous person, it’s gonna also amplify that. So, can you speak a little bit to your experience and how you feel money has amplified when you’ve gone and make your money, honey, how that has shaped or amplified who you really were from the get-go and it’s made it brighter, and brighter, and brighter to the point that now you want to go talk and start speaking about your experience and so on and so forth? Tell me a little bit about that.

Christina: So, yeah, what it has done is…what it has amplified is my desire to…because I’m getting results, it has amplified my desire to reach out to people who have maybe been where I have been, and to say, “You know, you can do it. You can change. You can rise above. You don’t have to stay in a particular mind frame.” And, you know, I have people reach out to me that sometimes I’m kind of surprised. And they’ll ask me about, you know, investing or they’ll ask me about things, and it is my desire to see them grow. It is my desire that they overcome and that they can attain the things that they want in life, you know, whether it be investing or whatever, you know, the route is.

So, what it has amplified is…I guess because I have seen how it has opened doors for me and changed me, it’s amplified my desire to reach back and reach out to other women and say, “You know what, I know what it feels like to feel like nothing, but I also know what it feels like to make changes and start making my own money without a limit.” Without a limit, meaning, you know, I’m not gonna say, “Oh, this is the limit. That’s all I can make.” You know, because sometimes we have financial limits, we say, “Oh, I can only make $100,000, that’s it. You know, I’m comfortable with that.” I had a lady say to me the other day, she was like, “Yeah, I just wanna make enough money to pay my bills.” I’m like, “That’s it?” You know, I said, “That’s it?”

Michelle: It’s again, it’s being a thermometer versus being a thermostat and increasing the temperature of what I’m okay comfortable having in the bank account, you know. And, you know, Jack always tells a story about, you know, how he used to be a serial kind of man, where even though he was having a great paycheck, at the end of the month, the account always came to zero. And then he’s like, “No, let me start reprogramming that, I’m now $1,000 kind of man.” All of a sudden, the account, you know, we manage to keep it at 1,000, and then 3,000, and then 5,000, and then 10,000, and so on and so forth. So, it’s that, you know, bringing up temperature.

Christina: And that’s a progress too.

Michelle: So there i… it’s almost like if you…I always say that these two topics of spirituality and money are not mutually exclusive topics. Because you just said it right now, you said, “You know what, I see that I’m seeing results, that I am having results, monetary results, and I’m also having spiritual results in how my character and how me as a person is developing,” you know what I mean? And that’s the thing, that’s a side effect, I think. We talk about mastery from a point of view of scale in doing deals, you know what I mean? And we always say, you know, if you don’t have repetition, you know, of hundreds of deals, you know, you don’t have scale. Scale only comes from repetition and what repetition creates is mastery.

Mastery not just to deal with how to structure or creatively come up, you know, and buy a property and sell a property. But mastery, I think there is an aspect of mastery that seldom is discussed and seldom is talked about, Christina, which is the fact that once you become a master at something, that you understand and you know how to do something really, really well, you know what I mean? That the biggest desire that comes afterwards is to serve, is to be of service to others, you know what I mean? That is like a… And it is almost like the greatest service that you can do is to, you know, “Oh my gosh, I’m at this point now, let me start helping others jump over the fence so that they can come on this side as well.” You know what I mean?

Christina: Yeah, absolutely.

Michelle: And, you know, that’s another whisper I feel, I go, “Oh God,” you know, in your heart when you’re like, “Okay, it’s not just because I’m having…I’ve gone through the, you know, cycle of having the courage, the capability and I’m having the results, and I’m having the confidence.” But I think you have to be a very special type of person as well. Because, you know, you’re really allowing that process to really mold you and allowing for you to really tune in to those whispers and say, “Oh my gosh, yeah. Now, what my heart is yearning is to be of service to others.” You know what I mean?

Christina: Well, that perpetuation opens up more doors. It’s like, where I was even two years ago, you know, doors are opening. Things that I’m wanting are different. And to be honest, on many levels, it is changing to the serving, you know, to being able to serve, being able to help, being able to let people know that you can change.

Michelle: Yes, heck, the moment you bring somebody to start working with you in your land business and that you know that that person’s family and well-being, financial well-being, you know, depends on your ability to be brave every single day. You are being of service, you know what I mean?

Christina: Absolutely.

Michelle: People don’t see it that way, you know what I mean? But it is, again, part of that, you know, service spirit and what comes with mastery, you know, at some point. So…

Christina: And responsibility, these are responsibilities, you know, and I don’t take them lightly. You know, and it’s important to realize that when you are a business owner and you are growing, you definitely have to show the responsibility. You have to show and you have to take authority over it.

Michelle: Yeah. Now, so I realize that I’ve been taking quite a bit of your time, but if we were to, you know, sum up this conversation, like, what would be a piece of advice and what do you see in the future? What are you excited most about, you know, for the future?

Christina: Wow. Well, I have a lot of things that I’m working on in the future.

Michelle: Yeah, you know, we work in the future. First in platforms and in plans, in the present. Because at the end of the day, our present is past decisions we have taken. And the future, our present decisions that we’re taking right now, you know I mean, that’s how we create the future. Absolutely.

Christina: So, I guess for the future, I do wanna continue to speak to women and let them know that they can do it. That we write our own story, you know, and there’s nothing wrong with writing a grand story, you know. And so, everything that I have based on in the future is rooted in that, me writing my own story, you know, wanting to speak, writing a book, you know, coaching, you know, whatever opens up. And again, things open up, the more you travel down a road, the more doors open. But if you just stop, then you’re just gonna stay right where you are. And I don’t wanna stop. I find that I get a little bored when I stop, and I start getting complacent when I stop. And it’s just so unappealing.

Michelle: You’re addicted to growth, my friend. That’s what it’s called. It’s an addiction to growth. One of my affirmations every day is like, I’m a catalyst for growth. And I’m like, because I’m addicted to growth. I mean, it can become addicting. I totally get it. I totally get it. You get bored, and there’s no fun, and there’s not a higher purpose behind, you know, what you’re doing. Absolutely, it totally makes sense.

So, I’m excited that you are excited about that bigger and better future, and that there are more women out there that are just like you, waking up to that next level of growth, of wanting to be of service to others, and I hope that we can convince you to be part of the Land Profit Generator fortune. We’re constantly looking out, you know, within our student base and our client base, you know, for amazing women. And I wanna see many, many more women. And already, you know, the landscape of the number of students and clients, you know, that are coming in that are women has increased and I couldn’t be more pleased.

And now, the next thing is, “Okay, now I need to start elevating, you know, into leadership positions, you know, and start…” Because that’s the next level. Because if we all stay at the level of, you know, “Yeah, I’m doing, you know, great work in my land business, but I’m not helping in any way groom that next generation of leaders.” That’s how I think, for us, you know, with Jack, it’s part of our…our educational business is part of our legacy play. That’s how we continue to affect, you know, many more people and many generations even once I’m gone. Who knows?

Christina: Yeah. Well, and I think it starts from the top down, I have definitely been in scenarios where the top has a lot of dysfunction and problems. So the whole system does, you know. And you guys have created something from the top. You created something that allows people opportunities that, you know…and that’s why I personally after I started going, I was like, “I’m committed to this.” You know, I’m committed to it because it lines up with what I want in life, you know, and that’s what…and that’s key. And so, once you get people that are committed, and they start seeing that they’re changing, they’re doing deals or whatever, it’s not that hard to keep going, especially with good support.

Michelle: Yes, absolutely. Yeah, that’s for me my next level of growth, even it’s like that legacy leaders layer within that we can continue to grow and grow and continue to groom so that many other women investors that come into our ecosystem can have really role models. Because when we don’t have role models and when we don’t see, you know, other people that look like us doing what we’re doing, it’s hard to imagine. So, it’s part of that imagining and coming to that moment where we say, “You know, those are some other person’s stories. My story is different, you know.” And I can see that my story is different because I see other women whose stories have been like mine, and their story is different now too, you know what I mean? Yeah, absolutely. Christina, thank you so, so very much. This was one…I feel like we can keep on talking, like, forever in many episodes.

Christina: We might bore people.

Michelle: Doubtful. Thank you so much.

Christina: Thank you.

Michelle: For you guys listening, I hope that this was a wonderful episode that even if you’re a guy, that there’s an important and special woman in your life that you wanna pass this conversation or this episode on that you do so, this is not us against them. It’s really about, you know, all of us stepping into our power and into our sovereignty, and really helping each other. We need each other, male, female, we all need each other to be able to…there’s a proverb that says, “You can get fast with who you have right now, but if you’re inclusive and you bring everyone with you, you can get there further, faster,” not just faster but further. So, thank you so much, Christina.

Christina: Thank you, Michelle, for having me.

Michelle: As always, a pleasure. So, I will see you hopefully inside of the group.

Christina: You will, surely. All right. Thank you.

Michelle: Thank you. Any last words for anyone from you?

Christina: I don’t think so. I think I’ve…at this point, I’ve touched on everything on my notes that was important.

Michelle: And I wanna point out to your little thing back there, “Go make your money, honey.”

Christina: “Go make your money, honey.”

Michelle: Exactly. That’s a perfect way to end this episode.

Michelle: Thank you so much.

Christina: Thank you,

Michelle: Barb, and that’s a wrap. I think this turned out…